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Margaret Furness 
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Lovely bloom.
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Not the best thing to support to get a fertilizer,
[Ed - As noted, political discourse is not welcome on HelpMeFind. Please refrain from any further non-gardening related posts.]
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It has already been pointed out to you that hmf is about roses/peonies, not politics.
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The current owners tell me their family have grown it since 1942. The flowers are 3-5cm in diameter. They don't think it's scented, which argues against Lady Gay as an ID.
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Some people can smell roses. Others (like me) can’t.
There are two ‘Lady Gay’ roses listed in HelpMeFind.
Lady Gay (hybrid wichurana, Walsh, 1903) (Rosa wichuraiana Crép. synonym × Bardou Job)
Lady Gay (hybrid multiflora, Geschwind, 1905) (seedling of Crimson Rambler × Unknown)
Walsh’s rose is likely to be fragrant, because ‘Bardou Job’ was fragrant.
Geschwind’s rose is likely to not be fragrant, because Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’ wasn’t.
Despite Geschwind’s rose being classified as multiflora, (as is ‘Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’)
if the pollen parent of Geschwind’s rose was R. wichurana, the resulting offspring might look a wich as does
‘Evangeline’ and ‘Excelsa’. I wish we knew more about Geschwind’s ‘Lady Gay’.
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Yes, it is true: we do not all detect fragrance in the same way. I can't detect China rose scent, but can detect the scent of most OGRs with a "damask" scent. I don't remember scent on 'Lady Gay', but it won't flower for another four months for me so can't check. I lost my own LG but know a big hedge of it an hour away. The Walsh roses that have scent that carries in the air are 'Evangeline' and 'Nokomis'.
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Margaret, I feel sure you have said somewhere (?private email) that “Loveday” is prickly.
Johno has sent me a 1969 Sedunarys Upper Murray Nursery catalogue. This nursery was at Loveday S.A. They listed ‘Pinkie Climbing’ which apparently is thornless.
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Yes wich-prickly: and once-flowering, so it's not Cl Pinkie.
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Palustris, would you please check whether Lady Gay is scented, if you can visit the hedge next month.
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It will be about six weeks before Lady Gay flowers here. I'm looking forward to the ramblers blooming.
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Rose Listing Omission
Rosa 'Dean Hill'
Rosa 'Dean Hill' named after Dean Hill barn in 1985 where first found. It is a synonym of Rosa 'Mrs Yamada' as they both were sports off Rosa 'Varigata Di Bologna'. 'Dean Hill' is found at National Trust Mottisfont.
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jedmar
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They are both sports, but are they identical?
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There was also David Ruston's find, Purpurea di Bologna. Are they all reversions to Victor Emmanuel?
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Prettiest thing I’ve seen in a while! Lovely!!
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It's a lovely rose. From memory, its flowering season was quite short (in zone 9b), but I may be mistaken.
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Well, Margaret! I’m grateful to you for the hours of pleasure I’ve had enjoying your photos and absorbing your thoughts from many a comment.
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