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Discussion id : 96-994
most recent 27 JAN 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 JAN 17 by CybeRose
It is worth noting that at this time (1818) Lee & Kennedy were distributing various double-flowered Scotch roses. Some of these were pale yellow, others bicolor. It may be that there was a yellow/purple bicolor. But how this became confused with a plant from The Missouri (river?) is another question.

Nomenclature raisonnée des espèces, variétés et sous-variétés du genre Rosier (1818) pp. 23-24
Auguste de Pronville

M. Noisette a reçu d’Angleterre un rosier qui paraît être une variété du pimpinellifolia, et qui vient du Missouri, Amérique-Septentrionale. M. Kennedy l’a envoyé sous le nom de rosa lutea nigra.

[Google translation: M. Noisette has received from England a rose-tree which appears to be a variety of pimpinellifolia, and which comes from Missouri, North America. Mr. Kennedy sent it under the name of rosa lutea nigra.]
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 22 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
John Abercrombie mentions a striped scotch rose in the 1813 edition of Everyman His Own Gardener.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 24 JAN 17 by CybeRose
Here is a picture of a striped Scotch rose.

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.68656.1
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 25 JAN 17 by Patricia Routley
If it was the same R. spinosissima picta, it would put the date of that back from c1817 to before 1813
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 25 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
In the 1839 edition of the book only Rosa spinosissima is mentioned briefly and no individual varieties of scotch roses are named.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 27 JAN 17 by CybeRose
Rowley (Journal of the Royal Horticultural Society, Vol. LXXXVI Past 10, October 1961 ) mentioned a striped Scotch Rose, Rosa ciphiana. A quick search turned up this:

Essays on Natural History and Rural Economy, p. 252 (1812)
By John Walker
Rosa ciphiana seu Rosa pimpinellae foliis minor nostras, flore eleganter variegato. Sibbald. Scot, illustrat. Pars II. Lib. i. p. 46. tab. 2.—lbi primum edita an. 1674.

And this:
Scotia Illustrata Sive Prodromus Historiae Naturalis (1684) p. 46
Robert Sibbald

Rosa ciphiana, seu Rosa Pimpinellae foliis minor nostras, flore eleganter variegato, Catal. Horti Medici Edinburgensis.

Rosam hanc, quod in Praedio meo Ciphiano sponte nascatur, Ciphianam appellavi. Ea cum non occurrat apud ullum ex Scriptoribus Botanicis, quos mihi videre contigit, digna visa est qua describatur.

Ex radice longâ lignosà per terram serpente assurgit caulis Cubitalis ut plurimùm altitudinis, quandoque majoris , aliquando minoris, qui in tenues ramos se diffundit, spinis densissìmis ab ipsâ radice usque ad plantae summitatem undique armatus. Rami de se protrudunt folia Pimpinellae vulgaris foliis, tum figura, tum quantitate & colore incisurisque in margine levibus, simillima; inter que ex pediculo suo calyx propender, quo aperto exerit e flos simplex tinctus rubedine varia, in quibusdam saturatiore, in aliis dilutiore, in omnibus virgulis albis pulchrè distinctâ. Cui deciduo succedit pomum coloris atro-rubentis, rotundius & minus Cynorrhodi vulgaris pomis, id lanugine quadam & seminibus oblongo­-rotundis, & eх infernâ parte magis compressìs , &, ex basi latiore, cordis effìgie in conum definentibus repletum. Flos eximium odorem de se fundit, quâ pollet tenuitate, penetrantem. Foliis saepe adnascuntur pilulae rubro-pallescentes, nunc rotundae, nunc oblongae, cavitate quadam cujusdam Insecti nidulo donatae.

Nascitur in colle quodam Praedii nostri Сiphiani Austro obverso, declivi admodum, cautibus squalido, nec alibi, quod sciam, conspicitur.

Perennis est planta. In hortos translata tum floris variegationem, tum suavissimum odorem conservat. Eam Sapphicis Versibus fusè descripti & vires ejus enarravi in Ode quadam , quae ad hujus libri calcem habetur.
https://books.google.com/books?id=lLJSAAAAcAAJ&dq=Robert%20Sibbald&pg=RA1-PA46#v=onepage&q&f=false

Ode de Rosa Ciphiana is on pp. 61-62

The illustration does not look much like 'Picta'.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 25 JAN 17 by jedmar
In which month are they mentioned?
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 25 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
They are not mentioned by month but in the "systemic catalogue" at the back of the book. There are only a few vague descriptions regarding rose cultivation in the main body of the book.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 25 JAN 17 by jedmar
Thank you!
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