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'Charles P. Kilham' rose Reviews & Comments
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most recent 26 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 26 FEB by HubertG
J. H. Nicolas writing an article called 'What stories are behind the new flowers?' in House & Garden magazine (October 1934, pages 64 and 65) gives, in a pedigree diagram, the parentage of 'Charles P. Kilham' as 'Lady Alice Stanley' x 'Mme. Ed, Herriot'. Furthermore, he gives the parentage of 'Lady Alice Stanley' as 'Mme. Caroline Testout' x "Hybrid Perpetual (name lost)".

Although it might not be accurate, I find it interesting because I had speculated last November that 'Lady Alice Stanley' might be in the pedigree of 'Peace'/'Mme. A. Meilland' albeit through 'Margaret McGredy' (see comment under 'Lady Alice Stanley'). Admittedly I'm still a little confused about the true breeding of 'Peace', but if it has both 'Margaret McGredy' and 'Charles P Kilham' in its pedigree, and if what I speculated and the parentage that Nicolas gives is true, then 'Peace' could certainly have a reasonable dose of 'Lady Alice Stanley' in its background.

In the same House & Garden article Nicolas gives three of his new roses, namely 'Yosemite', 'Agnes Foster Wright' and 'Condé Nast' as having the same parentage of 'Charles P. Kilham' x 'Mrs Pierre duPont'. I note that the 1935 rose 'Condé Nast' isn't listed here.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 26 FEB by Lee H.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Unfortunately, the print definition was just not enough for these tired old eyes. I found an online copy that seems much sharper, and I hope it uploads with the same definition. I include the third and final page as well.

Edit: viewing the pages in HMF is now perhaps a bit better, but definitely shows a loss of definition from the copies I uploaded.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 26 FEB by HubertG
Thanks, Lee. I find whatever gets uploaded to HMF a little resolution always seems to disappear for some reason.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 26 FEB by jedmar
Imagine if photos of up to 6MB were saved on HMF's servers, required storage capacity would explode. All photos are therefore compressed.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 26 FEB by jedmar
'Condé Nast' added. This rose is not mentioned in Modern Roses. It was probably not commercialized by Nicolas.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 26 FEB by HubertG
Thanks, jedmar. I suspect a name change and it was in fact introduced in 1935 as 'Carillon' which had the same parentage and colouration.
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